Maybe VR isn't dead after all... - Valve Index Review

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  • Published: 12 August 2019
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Comments • 6 025

  • Phillipe
    Phillipe  6 days back

    Oculus Rift S, anyone? Linus forgot to mention it entirely!!!!!!! No need for extra cameras at all, for $ 400, it’s a good VR headset...

    • Darron Edwards
      Darron Edwards  2 hours back

      @Zenroy Other way around for me chap, had the Lenovo WMR and it was pretty dire IMO ....sold it and bought a Rift S....a lot more compatibility and it just works. Each to their own though.

    • J cook
      J cook  2 hours back

      @mrrip inc. Agreed! and for the money its a deal! but i did notice the 80hz over the 90hz in beat saber, and the worst part of rift-S is the HEADPHONES!!!!!!!! GARBAGE!!!!!!! that alone makes me want to take it back and get the index.

    • David Bixler
      David Bixler  4 hours back

      @mrrip inc. once in a while I have tracking fallout, but a quick close and reopen of the Oculus app on Windows and it typically fixes itself. There is also a controller bug with the right controller showing up extra controllers that don't exist and once in a while pairing gets glitched.

      MAKE SURE you are using a USB 3 port for this, if you accidentally plug it in to a 2+ port, it'll have lots of issues and bugs until you move it. Powered hubs also are unreliable.

    • David Bixler
      David Bixler  4 hours back

      @Zenroy what didn't you like about it?

    • David Bixler
      David Bixler  4 hours back

      @Linus Tech Tips hell I'd loan you mine and suffer for a few weeks just to get a review.

  • Tyler Durden
    Tyler Durden  12 minutes back

    Neeeerd. good review though

    • Feint
      Feint  30 minutes back

      IF you don't have any VR headset but you have a powerful gaming computer, are there any VR games that justify the 1000 USD investment? So far, the only game that looks worth it IMHO is Lone Echo which is an Oculus title. Sure, you can use something to allow you to play Oculus titles on Steam VR headsets, but aren't there control mapping problems?

      • trinitrotoulen
        trinitrotoulen  30 minutes back

        Hey Linus, can you play war thunder #warthunder with that headset ? thank you

        • Sidney Candido
          Sidney Candido  49 minutes back

          Linus, I know someday or another you're going to review the HP Reverb, can you do us a favor of including racing/flight games on the review? I think the Reverb might be perfect for those seated experiences, but I want your opinion

          • Muhammad hiari
            Muhammad hiari  1 hours back

            0:57 wow a segue that makes sense

            • andrew szerbiak
              andrew szerbiak  2 hours back

              So Linus wishes for a strapon experience? Interesting.

              • J cook
                J cook  2 hours back

                he doesn't play BS on EX+.

                • Edward Roy
                  Edward Roy  2 hours back

                  Damn he has a nose most Jews would envy

                  • Andy Ackerman
                    Andy Ackerman  2 hours back

                    I had no idea that you were into a strap on experience. Not judging.

                    • Chase H
                      Chase H  2 hours back

                      If you aren't impressed by the finger tracking in "supported" games, just wait until Boneworks from Stress Level Zero comes out on Steam. They have some amazing work being done over there. I'm hoping other game developers will follow suite.

                      • hum bug
                        hum bug  3 hours back

                        When Half Life VR comes out in a few months these should sell better.

                        • Andrej Naumoski
                          Andrej Naumoski  3 hours back

                          If this headset was 400 dollars and the oculus rift like 200 dollars vr would be widely accepted and used by now.

                          Vr is cool, all it needs to be is cheaper.

                          • TheStig ZeroZeroZero
                            TheStig ZeroZeroZero  3 hours back

                            Does it come with a cat? Cool!

                            • Chris Borg
                              Chris Borg  3 hours back

                              3:38 love the linuscattips product placment

                              • Grendel _
                                Grendel _  4 hours back

                                And the like goes to the kitten :)

                                • Clash Royale
                                  Clash Royale  4 hours back

                                  Htc Cosmos :\, guys the Cosmos!!!

                                  • ItsJustMe Mildoze
                                    ItsJustMe Mildoze  4 hours back

                                    https://youtu.be/6p1e_JSol8s?t=275 Suddenly LTT turned into Linus Cat Tips

                                    • Ecchiboy Gaming
                                      Ecchiboy Gaming  4 hours back

                                      Blade and sorcery is the best game for testing vr.

                                      • DarklingGolem50
                                        DarklingGolem50  5 hours back

                                        I bought one and I'm returning it tomorrow because it didn't come with a cat

                                        • Helltech
                                          Helltech  6 hours back

                                          I *really* can't trust Linus' opinion on VR anymore. As a Rift S, Pimax 5K+, and an Index owner, I can say that I still prefer my Pimax to the other two, though it is heavily modded to make it better (because it is shit out of the box). For example, using the Vive Deluxe Audio Strap and of course using Index Controllers.

                                          Also the fact he is blown away by the clarity makes me feel he never gave the Pimax a shot because he wouldn't be blown away if he did.

                                          • Robert Mastrobattista
                                            Robert Mastrobattista  6 hours back

                                            VR TROOPERS REF IN THE INTRO XD!!!!!!!!!

                                            • Akira Hiroshi
                                              Akira Hiroshi  7 hours back

                                              If VR dies, so do I.

                                              • Hlspwns World
                                                Hlspwns World  8 hours back

                                                Linus I have to totally agree with everything that you have said, but currently having the Oculus Rift, even though my system and display is now 4K and I fall into the category of someone who wants the index, it's still a lot of money to completely upgrade. The Rift S is attractive due to its ease of use and much lower price, but imo and yours the index is king. A small price drop (Half Life 3) would be a real clincher, for now i'll be holding on to my Rift for a bit longer I think. What about the Cosmos???????

                                                • Alex Buckenham
                                                  Alex Buckenham  8 hours back

                                                  No-one thought VR was dead but LTT. Biggest evangelists before the rift came out then just declared it dead.

                                                  • Z/dos
                                                    Z/dos  10 hours back

                                                    "Depending on what your doing in VR" ;)

                                                    • duked19
                                                      duked19  10 hours back

                                                      Hmmm... at 3:43 the frunk suddenly and magically disappears for a few secs. =0

                                                      • duked19
                                                        duked19  10 hours back

                                                        During the past years, you should have upgraded your Vive with Deluxe Audio Strap, Wireless adapter and joystick addon for the Vive wands. Such a difference. Vive is (unfortumately) still one of the best VR-headsets out there thanks to the blacks, brightness, binocular overlap, Hz, games, tracking, and decent FOV. (duked's tech tips)

                                                        • Virjoinga
                                                          Virjoinga  11 hours back

                                                          I wish I could afford this, at least I have my Oculus Rift CV1 for the meantime :D

                                                          • Null Null
                                                            Null Null  12 hours back

                                                            Mouse cursor on screen, duh

                                                            • General Obi-Wan Kenobi
                                                              General Obi-Wan Kenobi  12 hours back

                                                              Literally no one was saying VR was dead.

                                                              • SpiderUsman1254
                                                                SpiderUsman1254  13 hours back

                                                                What about the Oculus Quest?

                                                                • Everett Ward
                                                                  Everett Ward  15 hours back

                                                                  The cat in the box.... was alive.

                                                                  • loktar
                                                                    loktar  15 hours back

                                                                    Great review, but as an owner of the Vive/Rift the only way I'm upgrading is for wireless at this point. That's the real game changer.

                                                                    • Wry
                                                                      Wry  15 hours back

                                                                      I don't believe GORN has proper full finger tracking support yet, it has preset combinations of buttons that represent a few hand expressions as you saw. Please find a proper game or maybe even a tech demo to show off the controllers.

                                                                      • pokeface119
                                                                        pokeface119  15 hours back

                                                                        I liked the Dell Mixed Reality, despite what "Reviewers" say, it was a LOT sturdier than it seems and over 2 years of punching walls full force over and over again it still hasn't broke xD
                                                                        (I also like how it has no limits on play space and you don't need to set it up like other VR sets, as well as liking the 300$ price tag on Newegg making it probably the cheapest 6 dimensional headset with controllers. The display is fantastic as well.)

                                                                        • Alex Flockhart
                                                                          Alex Flockhart  16 hours back

                                                                          They are still using fresnel lenses? I'd much rather have clearer picture and a bit more weight

                                                                          • STOPYOURCLICKBAIT Bruh
                                                                            STOPYOURCLICKBAIT Bruh  16 hours back

                                                                            Lmao got a quest cause I don’t have a $ 2000
                                                                            Pc lmao

                                                                            • Mexican Mario
                                                                              Mexican Mario  16 hours back

                                                                              so can you play piano with these controllers

                                                                              • Joe Dirt
                                                                                Joe Dirt  17 hours back

                                                                                Had the Index and loved it and its for sure the better HMD but the controllers are overrated and the "finger tracking" is analog and feels as such so might as well have physical buttons for each finger, prob would be more accurate to use.
                                                                                I sent my Index back because my PDI is like 2 points wider then their max plus its def not worth $1000, maybe $700 max and the lack of content for it, VR in general. 5 years maybe VR will be gold with better pc's and better displays and true VR content, ill try VR again.

                                                                                • KrazyKrzysztof
                                                                                  KrazyKrzysztof  17 hours back

                                                                                  vr games are pretty shit but pron must be amazing on this beast

                                                                                  • Rustley
                                                                                    Rustley  18 hours back

                                                                                    Yeah yeah yeah, we get it, 1000 dollar valve index it's real cool and all... But where's the Oculus quest coverage? 400 dollars, no PC or phone or console needed, it's all in the headset already, no baystations or cameras needed, really good inside out tracking that's 1000x better than WMR tracking, there's some really nice rift ports on it, what about that?

                                                                                    • Gucci
                                                                                      Gucci  19 hours back

                                                                                      Linus been hitting the gym?

                                                                                      • fNatyk
                                                                                        fNatyk  19 hours back

                                                                                        11:59 Great sound bite..

                                                                                        • fNatyk
                                                                                          fNatyk  19 hours back

                                                                                          HIDE THE CAT! Alinity is on her way!

                                                                                          • Hüseyin Arslan
                                                                                            Hüseyin Arslan  20 hours back

                                                                                            120 Hertz test without a real FPS like Pavlov

                                                                                            • MrBizaaro
                                                                                              MrBizaaro  20 hours back

                                                                                              When can we reliably play games like GTA 5, COD in VR ? 5 years ?

                                                                                              • Feint
                                                                                                Feint  20 minutes back

                                                                                                Someone was working on a GTA V VR mod, but stopped because it was too traumatic. He said he felt like a murderer playing it. You can already play a few regular games like space and racing games like Assetto Corsa, ACC, Project Cars 2, Elite Dangerous, Space Engine, and a bunch of others. The issue is a lot of those games aren't made for 3D and for using hand controllers and something that looks OK in 2D like models, textures and lighting will look flat and weird in 3D.

                                                                                            • Kenneth Donnelly
                                                                                              Kenneth Donnelly  21 hours back

                                                                                              lol.......my cat does the same thing with my tv and pc